intermittent "arm board not detected"

Started by spiyda, April 10, 2018, 11:28:54 AM

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spiyda


Someone has asked me if I know the possible reasons for a problem with their vacuum pump intermittently stopping and then a message coming up with "arm board not detected" when a job is loaded in rvplace. ( I think he is registering on the forum )

Oddly enough last week I had a similar issue..  at the end of a long run of placing ( lonfg for me, about 5-6000 components)
"arm board not detected" followed by "z axis switch not found", happened several times.. ( I then changed the "Z" axis switch, but haven't run it since)

What are the most likely causes of the "arm not detected" error?


Mike

Probably RS232 port issues, as the arm board is read via the serial port.
Try the armtest program - this continually reads from the sensors - run this and systematically wiggle cables. 
If your machine uses serial ports on the DSP carrier card it could be there as well, and maybe also the power supply to the arm PCB

spiyda

Thanks Mike,
still not got to the bottom of the fault. 
It seems to settle down after a while, only occasionally popping up its ugly head.
Each time it seems to be the  Z axis end stop when it fails..
but the sensor has been replaced and the connections cleaned ..
because its a terminal fault, requiring rebooting the machine, i can't get it to sit there in a fault state to find the problem..
and I couldn't get it to occur in the armtest ..  so I guess I'll have to live with it.

Mike

I wonder if it might be something like noise from worn brushes on the pump motor?

spiyda

Quote from: Mike on June 28, 2018, 11:51:26 PM
I wonder if it might be something like noise from worn brushes on the pump motor?
I'll put a scope on some of the connections and see if there is any noise..
the problem seems to be worse after the machine has not been used for a few days..   
maybe capacitors ?  I'll hunt for electrolytics tomorrow.

spiyda

It may or not be the solution to an intermittent problemI have had since last summer, but I found a fault and fixed it !

I was getting occasional "Arm not found" errors which required a cold reboot of the PC

Getting a bit fed up so checked out all the cables that wander through the arm, on the basis that they could suffer metal fatigue

:) :) :) Guess what !      The blue wire was broken internally,   just as it entered the top of the end of arm spindle.

I couldn't get a decent picture, but here is the best I could do

the ends look as if they have been slightly rounded by physically rubbing against each other   

I replaced it with a bit of similarly sized black wire so maybe, just maybe I have fixed the issue..
a couple of boards just ran through as sweet as a nut.


spiyda

Replacing that wire fixed the immediate and frequent problem, but I still get an occasional "arm board not detected" followed by "z axis switch not found"

Its a bit random, sometimes after just a few hundred componenets, sometimes placing several thousand before it crops up again.
Even though a reboot is needed, at least the software keeps track of placed components so that it picks up exactly where it left off.
It just gets a bit frustrating at the end of a long day when it decides to throw a wobbly a couple of board short of the end of a run.

Since there was a definite hardware fault with the broken cable I was wondering if there might be other conductors that have started to break down due to the constant twisting..

I don't own one, but I've just ordered a low ohm meter and plan to test every cable that runs through the arm for possible issues,
I will use both an analogue meter while moving the arm, and the low ohm meter.
Any that are suspect will be replaced with new .

will report back If I find anything,

Chris